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and mr. ryan's supposed principles on that issue. we talked about that moments ago with chris hayes. but there are two things that i think are hugely important to the presidential campaign that happened last night. two things that i, frankly, never thought we would get to. and that we got to and, boy, howdy, is this new territory. first was this. >> you asked, do i feel free? let me put it to you this way. i earned capital in the campaign, political capital and now i intend to spend it. it is my style. that's what happened in, after the 2000 election. i earned some capital. i've earned capital in this election, and i'm going to spend it for what i told the people i'd spend it on. which is you've heard the agenda. social security and -- >> social security, first on the list. when george w. bush won re-election in 2004, the first thing he said he wanted to spend his political capital on, first on the list was social security. specifically what he meant was privatizing social security. no more social security safety net, just hand it ov
and mr. ryan's supposed principles on that issue. we talked about that moments ago with chris hayes. but there are two things that i think are hugely important to the presidential campaign that happened last night. two things that i, frankly, never thought we would get to. and that we got to and, boy, howdy, is this new territory. first was this. >> you asked, do i feel free? let me put it to you this way. i earned capital in the campaign, political capital and now i intend to spend it....
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nobody is -- >> mr. vice president -- >> reporter: and what a contrast. throughout the debate, biden smiled. smirked. grinned and cackled. >> medicare and social security are going bankrupt. >> reporter: ryan was earnest, intense, super see use. and they grappled all night. on the economy, biden unloaded, attacking mitt romney where president obama had not, on that video tape where romney called 47% of the american people victims who won't take responsibility for their lives. >> these people are my mom and dad, the people i grew up with. my neighbors. they pay more effective tax than governor romney pays on his federal income tax. >> reporter: ryan got personal. >> joe and i are from similar towns. he's from pennsylvania, i'm from wisconsin. you know what the unemployment rate in scranton is today? >> i sure do. >> it's 10%. >> yeah. >> you know what it was the day you guys came in? 8.5%. that's how it's going all around america. >> reporter: for a vice presidential debate, the stakes were high tonight. after mitt romney's big win in denver and president
nobody is -- >> mr. vice president -- >> reporter: and what a contrast. throughout the debate, biden smiled. smirked. grinned and cackled. >> medicare and social security are going bankrupt. >> reporter: ryan was earnest, intense, super see use. and they grappled all night. on the economy, biden unloaded, attacking mitt romney where president obama had not, on that video tape where romney called 47% of the american people victims who won't take responsibility for their...
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what mitt romney and paul ryan were saying. the point where mr. romney interrupted mr. ryan was when he said, you know, he was just acting so -- and romney jumped in, careful. careful. ixnay on the talking. at his first post-debate appearance today in wisconsin, vice president joe biden took the final topic of last night's debate, issue of abortion rights and hit paul ryan with it pretty forcefully. >> if anyone had a doubt about what's at stake in this election, when it comes to women's rights, and the supreme court, i'm sure they were settled last night. it was made clear last night that they don't believe in protecting a woman's access to health care. it was made very clear that they do not believe a woman has a right to control her own body. these guys have a social policy out of the '50s. >> that was joe biden's first major campaign appearance today after last night's big event with paul ryan. now, paul ryan's first public appearance after last night's debate was not that moment on the tarmac with mitt romney with the funny microphone, it was actually this. his cam
what mitt romney and paul ryan were saying. the point where mr. romney interrupted mr. ryan was when he said, you know, he was just acting so -- and romney jumped in, careful. careful. ixnay on the talking. at his first post-debate appearance today in wisconsin, vice president joe biden took the final topic of last night's debate, issue of abortion rights and hit paul ryan with it pretty forcefully. >> if anyone had a doubt about what's at stake in this election, when it comes to women's...
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now, mr. romney made those claims under a banner that says protect and strengthen medicare. did he forget that he signed on to the plan that would kill medicare as we know it? you know the one his running mate created. so this is the great mitt migration to the middle, the move from severely conservative to just severely brazen. the question is, can this new mitt move past the smell test? joining me now is congresswoman january kakowski and michelle cottle, correspondent for "the daily beast ". thank you both for joining me tonight. >> thank you. >> congresswoman, let me go to you first. newt gingrich admits governor romney has changed. how will he answer this in the next 29 days? >> well, we have to double down and demand the truth and who do you trust becomes the real question now but you can't going from saying we shouldn't hire more teachers to saying, i love teachers. we need more. you can't say you're against the dodd/frank bill and then say, oh, yes, wall street needs regulation. and yo
now, mr. romney made those claims under a banner that says protect and strengthen medicare. did he forget that he signed on to the plan that would kill medicare as we know it? you know the one his running mate created. so this is the great mitt migration to the middle, the move from severely conservative to just severely brazen. the question is, can this new mitt move past the smell test? joining me now is congresswoman january kakowski and michelle cottle, correspondent for "the daily...
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so that line of questioning here for mr. ryan was understandable. maybe even predictable. but beyond the newsworthiness of paul ryan getting up and taking off his microphone and ending the interview and beyond the newsworthiness of the campaign going after this reporter, there was what that reporter was able to elicit from paul ryan. there's his prescription for what it takes to get out of poverty if you live in the inner city. >> the best thing to help prevent violent crime in the inner cities is to bring opportunity in the inner cities, help people get out of poverty, help teach people good discipline, good character. >> are all people who are poor only poor because they have not been taught good character? or only poor people in the inner cities who are poor because they don't have good character? they don't have good discipline, they need to be taught that. you watching at home, do you not make a lot of money? was there a time you didn't have a lot of money? is that because you have bad character? if i were the romney/ryan campaign i would probably try to trash that re
so that line of questioning here for mr. ryan was understandable. maybe even predictable. but beyond the newsworthiness of paul ryan getting up and taking off his microphone and ending the interview and beyond the newsworthiness of the campaign going after this reporter, there was what that reporter was able to elicit from paul ryan. there's his prescription for what it takes to get out of poverty if you live in the inner city. >> the best thing to help prevent violent crime in the inner...
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in mr. ryan's debate practices the role of vice president joe biden is being played by celebrated conservative attorney and former george w. bush solicitor general ted olson. ted olson is not your average former bush administration official. he is the former bush administration official who's been leading the legal effort to overturn california's ban on gay marriage and maybe every state's ban on gay marriage. he is very, very, very, very conservative. but he is on the pro-gay side of this marriage fight. today at nyu's law school i got a chance to interview ted olson and his co-counsel the celebrated democratic attorney david boyce. they fought against each other in bush v. gore in the 2000 election but they are fighting together on the side of marriage equality in this federal case. and ted olson is the one of course who sticks out like a sore thumb here. he's a straight, married guy. he does not have a gay family member who has driven him to this decision. he has decided as a small govern
in mr. ryan's debate practices the role of vice president joe biden is being played by celebrated conservative attorney and former george w. bush solicitor general ted olson. ted olson is not your average former bush administration official. he is the former bush administration official who's been leading the legal effort to overturn california's ban on gay marriage and maybe every state's ban on gay marriage. he is very, very, very, very conservative. but he is on the pro-gay side of this...
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new video just in to the fox newsroom showing mr. biden arriving in kentucky for tonight's big debate, and the debate comes as the romney/ryan ticket today opens up its biggest lead of in this entire election. the republicans leading by a full point now i in the real clear politics average of all polls, that's the first time that's happened since mitt romney secured the nomination. you can see the course of the last year with the blue line for president obama and the red line for mitt romney. and you can bet that this means new pressure for the vice president going into tonight. chris stirewalt is our fox news digital politics editor and host of "power play" on foxnews.com live. when i prepared for this event today, chris, the daytime show now and the prime time coverage later, the experts told me in the materials i read that the vice presidential debates never really move the election that much, the most it's moved is three points. and i said to myself, three points is a lot in an election like this one. >> three points is a lot whe
new video just in to the fox newsroom showing mr. biden arriving in kentucky for tonight's big debate, and the debate comes as the romney/ryan ticket today opens up its biggest lead of in this entire election. the republicans leading by a full point now i in the real clear politics average of all polls, that's the first time that's happened since mitt romney secured the nomination. you can see the course of the last year with the blue line for president obama and the red line for mitt romney....
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the romney/ryan campaign negotiated for him to be called mr., not congressman ryan, at least by the moderator. his opponent, vice president biden, can presumably call paul ryan anything he wants and he probably will. i will say, steve, we were just talking about this new tweet that joe biden just sent out. do you have that -- >> i do. biden tweets just ahead of the debate, @joebiden, barack and i are in this because we will never stop fighting for you. you'll see that tonight, joe. the keyword there is "fighting." >> you were saying the keyword there is barack, it drives you nuts it's not the president. >> it's a personal thing. i went to the university of delaware. i have a soft spot for joe biden. but, no, he's the president of the united states. his first name is mr., his last name is president. mr. president. the president and i. >> he should call him president, but i think the keyword is "fight." and i must say, and i said it that night, i think the president was not on his "a" game, but i do not think what the big thing that night was him losing. the big thing was the lying of mitt romn
the romney/ryan campaign negotiated for him to be called mr., not congressman ryan, at least by the moderator. his opponent, vice president biden, can presumably call paul ryan anything he wants and he probably will. i will say, steve, we were just talking about this new tweet that joe biden just sent out. do you have that -- >> i do. biden tweets just ahead of the debate, @joebiden, barack and i are in this because we will never stop fighting for you. you'll see that tonight, joe. the...
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here's how mr. biden assessed the debate yesterday. >> anyone who watched that debate, i don't think there's any doubt that congressman ryan and i, governor romney and the president, we have a fundamentally different vision for america. and truth is that i think people -- >> well, there are only two presidential debates remaining. we have a town hall style forum on tuesday, foreign policy debate later this month. nbc campaign cari -- hello from d.c. let's get a question to you. do you get a sense that mr. biden set up a blueprint for the president at the next debate? >> well, you know, the vice president went into this debate with a very clear directive. be aggressive about paul ryan and to sort of stop the bleeding in a sense. democrats were very dismayed as we know by president obama's performance in that thursday debate for being a little bit lackluster, for not responding to mitt romney's claims. and biden went into this with a lot of enthusiasm. i think he was really amped up for the opportunit
here's how mr. biden assessed the debate yesterday. >> anyone who watched that debate, i don't think there's any doubt that congressman ryan and i, governor romney and the president, we have a fundamentally different vision for america. and truth is that i think people -- >> well, there are only two presidential debates remaining. we have a town hall style forum on tuesday, foreign policy debate later this month. nbc campaign cari -- hello from d.c. let's get a question to you. do...
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tonight i think mr. ryan made it very clear. they believe government and legislators should make decisions that women should make themselves. >> what's your reaction to what we've seen in some polls that indicate a closing of the gender gap with mitt romney running better now in the polls anyway with women? >> i've seen different polls. i think polls are all over the map right now. i do this this is what women were needing to hear tonight. what are the differences on particular issues. i actually think what we'll see after this is, again, this gender gap that's been very strong in favor of the president. i think we'll continue to see it to grow. >> thanks for joining us tonight. >> good to see you. >> rachel, back to you. >> thank you, lawrence. there's been a snap poll in terms of results from tonight's debate. cbs news did a flash poll of uncommitted voters on who they think won tonight's debate. 19% of those voters said the debate was a tie. 31% say that paul ryan won. 50% say that vice president biden won. we're going to be
tonight i think mr. ryan made it very clear. they believe government and legislators should make decisions that women should make themselves. >> what's your reaction to what we've seen in some polls that indicate a closing of the gender gap with mitt romney running better now in the polls anyway with women? >> i've seen different polls. i think polls are all over the map right now. i do this this is what women were needing to hear tonight. what are the differences on particular...
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mr. ryan should decide what are the issues that he wants to go on mr. biden on and mr. biden should decide what issues he wants to go after mr. ryan on. jenna: that changes the perception. >> and the men weren't looking at each other. >> the town hall style on tuesday, what would be your advice and strategy to any candidate facing that format. do you walk up to the person who is asking the question? >> you have to be very careful with anything that looks unusual. i think governor romney will do quite well in that setting. it is harder for president obama if he wants to be aggressive to take a question from a third person over here and turn and put it back -- i it makes it a little harder to do. jenna: we'll watch for that. thank you. jon: this one was no ask it, something you don't see very often a nasty congressional race in california gets physical, harris has that from the breaking news desk. march reus. >>> it started out as just pleasantly bitter. two house democrats running for one seat after redistricting out in california. suddenly one of them seems to kind of b
mr. ryan should decide what are the issues that he wants to go on mr. biden on and mr. biden should decide what issues he wants to go after mr. ryan on. jenna: that changes the perception. >> and the men weren't looking at each other. >> the town hall style on tuesday, what would be your advice and strategy to any candidate facing that format. do you walk up to the person who is asking the question? >> you have to be very careful with anything that looks unusual. i think...
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i think mr. ryan is right on target with tweaking the system, and ms. ethridge said that people who are on medicare for the next 10 years, there will be no major changes. i think that the idea of the voucher system and tweaking is the way to go. one more comment. mr. obama talks about the rich and how romney is rich. he has made it a dirty word to become rich, and he hangs with every celebrity and every rich person there is. as far as connections to people, i think romney has the better connection. that is all i wanted to say. host: all right, we will move on to miami, florida, independent caller bank. caller: i think of what some people are concerned about with this voucher -- i understand that health care is growing at twice that of inflation. you give somebody a voucher, a certain amount, let's say $6,000, $7,000, but over time, the cost of health care continues to rise and rise and rise. they have not given us any kind of idea of how they are going to keep up with the rising costs of health care on the particular policy. also, that particular board
i think mr. ryan is right on target with tweaking the system, and ms. ethridge said that people who are on medicare for the next 10 years, there will be no major changes. i think that the idea of the voucher system and tweaking is the way to go. one more comment. mr. obama talks about the rich and how romney is rich. he has made it a dirty word to become rich, and he hangs with every celebrity and every rich person there is. as far as connections to people, i think romney has the better...
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ryan tonight, he's going to call himself mr. ryan, not congressman. is the emergency room a great place to treat people without insurance? is this the future of american health care? >> my hope is that the future of american health care is going to be solved by a lot of the innovation going on out there and that we're going to do something to preserve and expand affordable access to good quality health care and that's what our focus should be, how do we make certain that everybody has access to affordable, quality health care. >> what do you make of your running mate's statement, governor romney's statement that we don't let people die in their apartments, we get them to the hospital, to the emergency room and that's how we handle people. is that satisfactory? what the governor has been saying twice now in the last couple of weeks now? >> what we want to make certain is that there is a continuum of care. of course, when there is an emergency situation, we are blessed to have great hospitals, great trauma centers that have those emergency rooms that ca
ryan tonight, he's going to call himself mr. ryan, not congressman. is the emergency room a great place to treat people without insurance? is this the future of american health care? >> my hope is that the future of american health care is going to be solved by a lot of the innovation going on out there and that we're going to do something to preserve and expand affordable access to good quality health care and that's what our focus should be, how do we make certain that everybody has...
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ryan: what they're -- biden: nobody has -- ryan: mr. vice president, i kno you're under a lot of duress to make up -- [laughter] but i think people would be better served if we don't keep interrupting each other. biden: well, don't take all the four minutes then. ryan: we're saying don't change benefits for people 55 and above. they already. >> moderator: let me ask you this, what is your specific plan for seniors who really can't afford to make up the difference in the value of what you call a premium support plan and others call a voucher? ryan: 100% coverage for them. >> moderator: and what does it cost? how do you make that up? ryan: by taking down the subsidies for wealthy people. look, this is a plan -- by the way, that $6400 number was misleading then, it's totally inaccurate now. this is a plan that's bipartisan. it's a plan i put together with a prominent democrat senator -- biden: there's not one democrat who endorses it. not one democrat -- ryan: our partner is a democrat from oregon. why'dwide and he says he no longer -- rya
ryan: what they're -- biden: nobody has -- ryan: mr. vice president, i kno you're under a lot of duress to make up -- [laughter] but i think people would be better served if we don't keep interrupting each other. biden: well, don't take all the four minutes then. ryan: we're saying don't change benefits for people 55 and above. they already. >> moderator: let me ask you this, what is your specific plan for seniors who really can't afford to make up the difference in the value of what you...
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did they feel the same way that paul ryan did. >> mr. president, i know you're under a lot of duress to make up for lost ground. [laughter] but i think that people will be better served if we don't keep interrupting each other. 0t[h7 bob... oh, hey alex. just picking up some, ochures, posters copies of my acceptance speech. great! it's always good to have a backup plan, in case i get hit by a meteor. wow, your hair looks great. didn't realize they did photoshop here. hey, good call on those mugs. can't let 'em see what you're drinking. you know, i'm glad we're both running a nice, clean race. no need to get nasty. here's your "honk if you had an affair with taylor" yard sign. looks good. [ male announcer ] fedex office. now save 50% on banners. stuart: new at 10:00 the latest economic indicator consumer sentiment from the university of michigan, in october. better reading than expected. next question, did joe biden say the economy is looking at? trends emerging from last night's debate. the rnc says joe biden interrupted paul ryan 82 ti
did they feel the same way that paul ryan did. >> mr. president, i know you're under a lot of duress to make up for lost ground. [laughter] but i think that people will be better served if we don't keep interrupting each other. 0t[h7 bob... oh, hey alex. just picking up some, ochures, posters copies of my acceptance speech. great! it's always good to have a backup plan, in case i get hit by a meteor. wow, your hair looks great. didn't realize they did photoshop here. hey, good call on...
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and frankly i think mr. ryan is going to have a lot of explaining to do. >> jennifer: i think he is too. i, like so many other progressives want to see joe take the gloves off and not just stand by when a falsehood is uttered. that's a lot you have got to roll into one debate. a lot of complex issues that you have to navigate to be successful. i want to play you a sound bite where a michigan reporter asked paul ryan how to drop crime in the cities when there will be tax cuts. >> those are your words not mine. >> thank you very much sir. >> yeah. >> that was kind of strange, put words in people's mouths. >> jennifer: to put this in context, he is being asked in flint, michigan which has a huge crime problem and has been under a emergency financial manager, so a reporter asks are tax cuts basically going to resolve the crime issues? paul ryan did not want to be asked that question. he does not want to be put on the spot. so that's maybe just one window on what his response will be when he is pressed. >> you ca
and frankly i think mr. ryan is going to have a lot of explaining to do. >> jennifer: i think he is too. i, like so many other progressives want to see joe take the gloves off and not just stand by when a falsehood is uttered. that's a lot you have got to roll into one debate. a lot of complex issues that you have to navigate to be successful. i want to play you a sound bite where a michigan reporter asked paul ryan how to drop crime in the cities when there will be tax cuts. >>...
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caller: i commend mr. ryan for his personal achievements. i would be asking whether these two gentlemen have signed a pledge of mr. grover norquist. to what extent should an american president pledged his allegiance to an individual? if a president or vice president would sign a pledge to somebody, that's what i would ask? host: in cleveland, ohio, democratic caller annette. caller: i think it will reflect not only the views of those debating but also the views of the president and mr. romney. i would like to hear mr. biden press mr. ryan on his vow your program, because there are a lot of children who receive medicare. my son was handicapped from birth. the voucher and has be program will force him to go out and look for a private provider. and i would like to know, under the voucher program, how will the medication be paid for? sometimes it's up to $1,500 a month. so i would like to hear vice- president biden grill him on this. host: regina is a republican caller now. caller: you are talking about the debate. they keep talking about the 47
caller: i commend mr. ryan for his personal achievements. i would be asking whether these two gentlemen have signed a pledge of mr. grover norquist. to what extent should an american president pledged his allegiance to an individual? if a president or vice president would sign a pledge to somebody, that's what i would ask? host: in cleveland, ohio, democratic caller annette. caller: i think it will reflect not only the views of those debating but also the views of the president and mr. romney....
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mr. ryan has never debated in a world wide forum. while mr. biden has. so it is crunch time for the congressman. mitt romney and the republicans are counting on ryan to continue the momentum and to at least parry anything vice president biden says. can he do it? that is the drama of the debate in kentucky this evening. since the campaign began, the obama team has not dealt with the media very much. even though the media loves the president. the last white house news conference, seven months ago! can you believe it? mr. obama does some soft news, like the late night shows and the view. but rarely sits for policy interviews. i've interviewed the president twice. but indications are he will dodge "the factor" this year. we hope he doesn't. he wants to reach independent voters, this is the place. obviously any interview he does with us will get world wide attention. vice president biden is even worse in the serious media. he's done few national tv interview views and rarely does he talk to local tv people. he's never been on "the factor," although i will tal
mr. ryan has never debated in a world wide forum. while mr. biden has. so it is crunch time for the congressman. mitt romney and the republicans are counting on ryan to continue the momentum and to at least parry anything vice president biden says. can he do it? that is the drama of the debate in kentucky this evening. since the campaign began, the obama team has not dealt with the media very much. even though the media loves the president. the last white house news conference, seven months...
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mr. biden has a trillion dollar tax hike. he's been very bold. you bet we're going to raise taxes on the upper incomes by a trillion dollars. ryan has the romney plan to lower tax rates and cap deductions. do you think they're going to go at it? is it better to raise taxes or lower them to improve the economy? are we going to see that picture tonight? >> i think you will. i think you'll see a renewal of the theme if you let these individual tax rates soar up you're also clobering that small, medium-sized entrepreneur who's really a job creation engine. a quarter of all those jobs are in the hands of those folks and they're reacting negatively to the threat of higher taxes. it's one of the reasons that we've seen i think this confidence and lack of uncertainty suffer out there. in other words, people just don't know. we don't actually, larry, have a tax code really. 60 some provisions expired at the end of 2011, 40 some more are expiring this year. thog is known, nothing is certain and that's part of that big looming fiscal cliff that needs tore c
mr. biden has a trillion dollar tax hike. he's been very bold. you bet we're going to raise taxes on the upper incomes by a trillion dollars. ryan has the romney plan to lower tax rates and cap deductions. do you think they're going to go at it? is it better to raise taxes or lower them to improve the economy? are we going to see that picture tonight? >> i think you will. i think you'll see a renewal of the theme if you let these individual tax rates soar up you're also clobering that...
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so not all is lost if mr. ryan doesn't win, there's at least one losing vice presidential nominee who became president. who was it? >> franklin roosevelt. >> yes. it was of course franklin roosevelt who not only became president but got to be president longer than anybody else. thanks to everybody for playing. steve, thanks for taking all the stickers. >> we're a team here. >> be sure to watch steve every weekday on the cycle at 3:00 p.m. eastern. the rest will be back. we'll be talking about immigrant communities that you never hear about. and spirit of malibu is an awesome place to be. introducing the all-new 2013 chevrolet malibu eco. ♪ sophisticated new styling, the fuel-saving intelligence of eassist, 37 mpg highway, and up to 580 highway miles on a single tank of gas. ♪ the all-new 2013 chevrolet malibu eco. ♪ it has everything to put you in the malibu state of mind no matter what state you live in. ♪ if we want to improve our schools... ...what should we invest in? maybe new buildings? what abou
so not all is lost if mr. ryan doesn't win, there's at least one losing vice presidential nominee who became president. who was it? >> franklin roosevelt. >> yes. it was of course franklin roosevelt who not only became president but got to be president longer than anybody else. thanks to everybody for playing. steve, thanks for taking all the stickers. >> we're a team here. >> be sure to watch steve every weekday on the cycle at 3:00 p.m. eastern. the rest will be back....
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let me ask you quickly, what do you think -- mr. ryan -- steve kornacki? >> i i've always been impressed by joe biden. the reason he ended up on the ticket in 2008 is because of all those primary dietz bates, when it was hillary and obama were the stars, but the guy invariably we end up saying won those debates was joe biden. he's a strong communicator, very good in the debate setting. i expect him to press the case in a way we didn't see last week. how ryan handles that is really the $1 million question. >> steve thank you for your time tonight. >> sure. >>> catch steve on "the cycle" weekdays at 3:00 eastern right here on msnbc. >>> still ahead, was there an intervention in the romney campaign? news tonight about a big fight inside team romney. >>> rudy giuliani think about it, there is only three, a noun a verbal and 9/11 nothing else. i've been negotiating since you were in congress. if you all had been around enough -- maybe i've been around too long they forget all the wonderful things i've done -- but all siding aside -- walk around in my neighborho
let me ask you quickly, what do you think -- mr. ryan -- steve kornacki? >> i i've always been impressed by joe biden. the reason he ended up on the ticket in 2008 is because of all those primary dietz bates, when it was hillary and obama were the stars, but the guy invariably we end up saying won those debates was joe biden. he's a strong communicator, very good in the debate setting. i expect him to press the case in a way we didn't see last week. how ryan handles that is really the $1...
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nobody -- >> ryan: mr. vice president -- i know -- >> biden: no. >> ryan: i know you are under a lot of duress to make up for lost ground -- [ laughter ] >> ryan: but people would be better served if we don't interrupt each other. they already organized the retirement -- >> let me ask you this. what -- what is your specific plan for seniors who really can't afford to make up the difference in the value of what you call a premium support plan and others call a voucher -- >> ryan: 100% coverage. >> how do you make that up in >> ryan: by taking down the subsidies for wealthy people. this is a plan -- by the way the $6,400 number was misleading then and it's totally inaccurate now. this is plan i put together -- >> biden: not one democrat endorses this. >> ryan: our partner is a democrat from oregon -- >> biden: and he said he does no longer support you. >> ryan: we put it together with a former clinton advisor -- >> biden: who disavows it. >> ryan: here is the point martha -- if we don't fix this problem prett
nobody -- >> ryan: mr. vice president -- i know -- >> biden: no. >> ryan: i know you are under a lot of duress to make up for lost ground -- [ laughter ] >> ryan: but people would be better served if we don't interrupt each other. they already organized the retirement -- >> let me ask you this. what -- what is your specific plan for seniors who really can't afford to make up the difference in the value of what you call a premium support plan and others call a...
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. >> when mr. ryan said last night that governor romney was a car guy, i thought well, if they have an elevator stack of his counts, i guess he was. >> reporter: the dynamics of incumbent's two debates mirror those of george w. bush and vice president cheney. bush was considered the loser, creating an opening for cheney to come out swinging against john edwards in the vp debate. >> the first time i ever met you was when you walked on the stage tonight. >> reporter: president bush ultimately won re-election, of course, the same result president obama is hoping for. now for fans of former president bill clinton and/or the boss bruce springsteen, you might want to head to the parma, ohio, area this tuesday. those two will headline a rally for president obama. we're told the admission will be free. >> ron mott, thanks very much. >>> let's get a check of the other top stories of the day. tom is at the news desk. >> we begin with some dramatic video from colorado. it shows what used to be a single family
. >> when mr. ryan said last night that governor romney was a car guy, i thought well, if they have an elevator stack of his counts, i guess he was. >> reporter: the dynamics of incumbent's two debates mirror those of george w. bush and vice president cheney. bush was considered the loser, creating an opening for cheney to come out swinging against john edwards in the vp debate. >> the first time i ever met you was when you walked on the stage tonight. >> reporter:...